Is This Far Enough Off the Grid?

I know, but we can dream can’t we? This just might work if you want to be your own grid-square. A place with almost unlimited and unobstructed views, enough acreage to sight in your own 105 Howitzer and within driving distance of Lake Tahoe, south east of Reno Nevada, but far enough from the Golden Horde.

You have unobstructed views is all directions, a great house, even a lawn to mow, one that can be converted into a vegetable garden.

Good curb appeal, though there is no curb in the area.

On city power but plenty of space for a generator and a big Faraday cage. Places to raise chickens and rabbits and other livestock.

No restaurants close but it has its own good place to eat:

…and play…

…and keep an eye on the neighbors.

Automated lawn services.

An established vegetable garden.

And the clincher, you never know when food for a week is going to walk into range.

I believe we, each of us, at some point dream of leaving the rat-race behind, not hearing traffic, low-level airplanes, sub-woofers mounted in cars that may fall apart at any moment. Such places do exist for a price.

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    1. I made a similar move recently. I’ve come to realize that all the issues I identified on the discussed piece of property apply to where I moved. We like the quiet, and while our fields of fire aren’t close to that long, the other issues exist.

      I’ve thought long and hard about how to defend my little 80 acre plot. I’ve come to realize that I cannot defend it with given resources. The plot is too big, and the terrain dictates that a substantial portion of my plot, and a vast section beyond my plot in a particular direction would need to be included in the area of defense. It would take an infantry company to defend it.

      I also hate the lack of trees. This city boy-cum-hick grew up in the PNW, with trees everywhere. Tried to plant saplings last year (400), and less than 100 survived the first year. None of the hardwood deciduous trees made it, so no good firewood in 5-10 years.

      To anyone thinking of strategically relocating, move there, rent, take your time figuring out what you want. Don’t jump across the country into some undiscovered country only to find out your ‘good thought’ wasn’t quite what you thought it would be.

      I love my house. I love my property. If something bad happened, I couldn’t hold it. Plan A must be bugging out to a more defensible situation.

  1. Big concerns:

    1. The well. Pay for an independent well inspection. Flow rate, water level, water depth, pump depth. I’m a rookie at this well stuff, but those were the concerns we had when we moved “way out.” If the dreaded EMP went off, those suckers would be dead in a week. No water and that fancy well pump is fried. Single point of failure.

    2. Whatcha gonna heat that place with when the power goes out? Zero trees. Zero coal veins to mine. Long haul for fire wood. A few tons of trucked in coal? The propane tank looks small for a long winter. Ours is twice the size (1000gal) and i’ve thought a bit about getting another one installed.

    3. Ultra arid climate. Invest in Jergens lotion. Challenging environment to grow any substantial crop without constant water. See item #1.

    4. Extremely long fields of fire work both ways. YOu can see someone coming from a long way off. They can watch you from a long ways off. Extremely remote locations ensure that you just can’t have eyes everywhere all the time.

  2. How is that a good defensible position? It is great since everyone without gas or water will die before they reach you. On the other hand it looks like you are wide open to any avenue of approach. If a jarhead with a rifle and you got in a shooting match long range you would lose. I suppose you could hide in the inner rooms and make the evil rifleman come get you. I would say you need a fence with some channeling so you know where the evil hungry zombies are walking to you. You could do this with scrub brush if you did not want to build an ugly fence. I would argue where I am is better. To get to my off the grid place you have to leave the hardball road and come down the rutted dirt and gravel one. I would say you would have been better off having a hidden off road cabin in Idaho and having a chopper pad on your land. Then when you saw evil guys coming at you you could yell to your family, “Get to daah Chopper!” and all run and to you chopper and fly to your off grid Idaho mountain cabin. Of course the better option is to have a hidden bunker in the middle of 500 acres in the New Zealand wilderness and fly there with the Google and facebook execs in there jets. Or hide on an Island like Richard Branson – although he will be eaten by his island servants when they realize the world banks crashed.

        1. I’m partial to the scenery of Endor.

          No idea how that all went off the rail. Initial observations weren’t off, but then :googlyeyes:

          Living on Tattooine is quiet, but indefensible.

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  3. It’s a beautifully executed retreat. I live on acreage in the Pacific Northwest. At 72, the 8 months of rain can eat away at a man’s soul…:)) They say seniors do better in a dry climate like Nevada. The only problem I see with such an arrangement is that it’s very visible sitting out in the middle of seemingly nowhere and once discovered would entice desperado’s to challenge it’s seeming security. It would take multiple family members who are well armed and know how to neutralize threats at a distance to secure this home. I read an article recently that the most secure home is one that looks run down, in a state of disrepair and abandoned. The reason is the retreat doesn’t look plush or attractive to looters. This home would be a target to be overrun and seized by the stronger so they could enjoy such until they were taken out. If the balloon goes up this beautiful place will change hands many times as a function of violence over the years. I’m sure it will sell quickly. Thanks for sharing.

    1. There is no security there, Carl. Open space must be defended, just like a secluded glade in the forest. With clear lines of fire measured in miles, not feet, This place would be exceedingly difficult to defend with a larger group.

      I suppose concertina wire could help, but other than some skin and a bunch of pant material, its just not hard to get through c-wire if its unsupervised.

  4. I live isolated, but not really remote. But I am away from the rabble and all associated with them. That would be its primary asset – away from the likely bad behavior… until some group stumbles on me. Like BobW, I simply do not have enough resources to defend it. I had the realization some time ago that to survive the times many of us fear may be coming, it takes a community, not solitary loners or even single families.

    1. Les, with enough resources, anything is defensible.

      Having trees is a big part of it. Using trees, you can funnel all vehicular traffic, and wire to funnel foot traffic.

      One can drop trees into an abatis to stop vehicular access down the funnels. Random wire within the trees will give foot traffic fits, and deliberate wire around the homestead area will force them to funnel to one or two choke points just a few folks can control.

      Without trees to obscure the homestead area, all traffic will have clear avenues of approach to the homestead. I would put in deliberate fighting positions as soon as the first balloon goes up. A berm around the house and garden/crops will go a long way.

      Just a few thoughts on home defense.

      1. The issue, I think, is having someone on watch and paying attention in order to detect an intrusion, regardless of any physical barriers. Someone should be on watch specifically while others perform needed daily tasks and somewhere in there everyone must get some sleep. Impossible for just two people. Eight to ten, maybe.

  5. Loners wont survive the long haul in the aftermath of a serious SHTF event. There are so many things working against you in a nation of over 300,000,000 individuals who will fan out much sooner than later in search of better conditions away from the madness. You need a solid community to work with which can share the burden of security, water,food, wood, and maintenance of everything worked hard to acquire. A solid shooter with a good scope can pick you off any day of the week from a great distance in such an open theater. Out there on your own you can get sick or injured at any point. Even the great frontiersmen who ventured throughout this nation avoided going completely solo and had some type of network with neighboring survivalist. If you are already living in a small community you need to start planning for your community, even if they aren’t doing it. What are your towns entry points? Where are the best watch points? Where is the most secure crop locations? Where could meetings be held? How will you all keep in touch? What stores does the community have at the moment? So much can be taken care of in preparation for when, not if, SHTF in this country.

  6. This is such a nice place to live in. I want to live somewhere remote, isolated, and in touch with nature. To be fair, I’m currently doing a lot of outdoor activity recently. I might try off-road driving as well but I’m still waiting for the set of mickey thompson tires I ordered from It’s one of the few things I want to do that made me want to live far from the city.

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